
Which research group should a student join for his PhD?
Tags: Chinese students, Indian students, Indonesian students, Iranian studentsPosted in PhD life, Tips
Today I want to discuss some of the arguments that should play a role in the decision for students to send out an application to a particular principal investigator in a particular institute in, very often, a foreign country.
Mobility
How mobile should a junior scientist be? I know some very successful scientists that went to high school, college and university in the same city. And even became professor at that university, with as their research theme a continuous iteration of their PhD thesis. But I think they form a minority.
Leaving your own university, or even your country
The majority of junior scientists struggle. Should they leave their country? And if so, at what level of their education? Leaving one’s country is usually either done to get a PhD abroad, or to get first a master abroad and then a PhD abroad. But even if staying in the same country the question arises whether or not one should continue to go for a PhD in the same group where the master degree was acquired.
Quality of applicant
Principal investigators(PI’s) get daily email applications from students from China and India. But also other nationals, like Iranians and Indonesians, regularly apply. Scientific institutes of the size of 150 to 250 employees have at least one full-time employee whose only task it is to filter those applications. Some applicants clearly have sent out hundred of email applications, whereas others obviously sent out just this one application.
For group leaders it is very difficult to judge the quality of an applicant. Comparing the quality of university educations in various countries is difficult. In addition the candidate very likely did not have had the chance to proof his experimental skills. That is why candidates that first come to complete a master are much easier to assess.
Which group should I choose to apply to for a PhD position?
The answer to this question will for a large part determine, if you want to become a full-blood researcher, what your subject of research will be. What are important factors? I do not know for certain what is in the minds of the applicants but important factors include, I guess, quality of the group leader, leader style of the group leader, quality of the institute, scholarship/salary (or is the university so famous, like Harvard, that you have to bring your own money), length of contract, size of teaching duties, quality of life in the city and country of choice.
Quality of group leader and style of leadership
It seems clear that group leaders that are mediocre scientists are not an ideal person to choose for your PhD. I expect prospective PhD students to check this quality before they apply. Given public c.v.’s on the internet, public list of publications, public record of invited talks at conferences, citation scores, and a number of other criteria it is not to difficult to find out the scientific quality of the group leader. Applicants, please do this before you apply. For your own sake.
Much more difficult is to find out the quality of leadership. Does the PI have 20 PhD students and 10 postdocs in his group, and no time for any scientific discussion? Is the PI coauthor (and last author) of all papers of the group? Is the group leader delivering all invited talks himself? Does it take three months before the group leader returns a manuscript, and returns it unread, but with a lot of criticism? Is he always away for conferences? I think it is quite difficult from the outside to find out about these habits. The best source of information is former and present PhD students. So when you are invited to come over for an interview try to get to talk to several PhD students in the same group. Have dinner with them.
Countries
Even now, with the all the homeland security nonsense and visa-problems, the USA is still often the first choice for a student applying for a PhD position. Students should realize that in contrast to some other countries, getting your PhD in the USA means joining a graduate school, with still a lot of courses to follow and examinations. The period necessary for getting your PhD can in the USA also be much longer than anticipated. In other countries students get a four-year PhD contract with no obligatory courses and a guaranteed >90% time for research. Before you apply you should try to figure out these circumstances.
I think applicants for PhD positions should spend quite some time checking out a group before they are going to apply for a position in that group.
28 Apr 2009 22:39, Allard Mosk
What can I add to these important considerations? Realize your Ph.D. period is a significant part of your career, and of your life. Do not spend that long time in misery just because a Ph. D. with some brilliant and famous (but unfortunately also arrogant and above all absent) professor looks so good on your CV. Being supported in your work is essential. Being within a reasonable distance from your friends and loved ones is important to most of us. Living in a place you enjoy counts.
2 May 2009 10:41, Mirjam
Some random comments (mostly seen from the perspective of Dutch undergraduates – for some foreigners not all may apply):
– I think that in general it is a bad idea to do your PhD in the same place as your master’s. It is easy to catch up with the knowledge gained during a master’s and the new environment with new people and new ideas should easily outweigh this.
– Although your PhD likely determines the scientific area in which you will continue afterward I think the exact research subject is less important. The research environment is much more important.
– I think it is a good idea to see if PhDs are offered the opportunity to go to multiple international conferences and maybe even spend some time at another (foreign) research institute
– If possible, I agree that it is important to first visit the group and talk with group members. You get a good sense of the atmosphere, of how people work together and also whether the place is ‘alive’ or not (groups/institutes that look really good on paper sometimes turn out to be petrified).
– I don’t think it is ideal to do your PhD in a group without many other PhDs/postdocs or a group that is just starting (for instance, you don’t want to be the one outfitting the experimental lab from scratch). On the other hand, a group that is still fairly new (say 5 years) or where the group leader is on a tenure track may mean that the group leader still is more involved.
– personally, I think a 4 year period (after completion of a master’s) is pretty much ideal for an experimental PhD. 3 years (UK) may be too short, while in the US you may take forever. The Dutch could be a bit more flexible with their rather strict 4 year deadline though…
– for experimentalists: I think it often is better to graduate on a certain research topic that you can tackle with different tools than on (the development of) a certain tecnhique. The latter leads to more constraints on the problems that you can take up and if the development of the technique does not work out you are pretty much stuck.
– last but not least: follow your heart. The most important thing is that you like what you are doing, otherwise you likely won’t be successful anyway.
4 May 2009 10:52, Raabya
The issue of selecting a group on the basis of its establishment age is a tricky part. For me those interested in theoretical work such as computational or simulation based projects should emphasize on the publications of PI whereas a well established lab is more important for the experimentalists since they don’t want to spend the short duration of their PhD in establishing labs and resulting in an extension. In both the cases consulting Ex and current students is ultimately the best and most reliable option.
4 May 2009 20:03, Ad Lagendijk
@Mirjam
Thanks for your extended comments.
One aspect against moving to another institute after a student has completed his/her master thesis is for students that need very much support shops, like the mechanical workshop and the ICT department. They know all these people now and that makes their start for their PhD work quicker.
As far as not going to a group that is just starting I have considerations. In the first place a good recommendation from a group leader is more worth than a few high-impact papers obtained in a well-established large group. Furthermore hiring committees are very well aware of circumstances under which candidates have obtained their degrees. Being one of the many coauthors on a number of papers of a group led by a world-famous group leader leads to a lot of comments by committee members.
Your last remark (“follow your heart”) is exactly what I tell people that ask my advice. If they are excellent, and after talking to me, decide on the basis what I tell them not to join our group because their heart is somewhere else I am very happy.
Thanks again.
4 May 2009 20:05, Ad Lagendijk
@Raabya
I absolutely agree: consulting ex and current students is the best option. It makes you wonder what the hiring group leader tells them.